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Hungarian Jew from Budapest here, though not a very smart one. I think that Scott Alexander did a fair treatment of the problem, but there is some important context that he missed. Here is some of it:

Why is Budapest special:

Budapest and the rest of Hungary are culturally two very different societies that diverged in 1686 in an event that is taught as "the liberation of Pest and Buda from Ottoman yoke". The united armed forces of the ̶W̶a̶r̶s̶a̶w̶ ̶P̶a̶c̶t̶ Holy League defeated the Ottoman forces in Buda and Pest and subsequently murdered and expelled the entire ethnic Hungarian (and other) population of the (then) two cities, replacing them with German settlers. The reason for this was counter-reformation: the Ottoman empire was (for financial reasons dictated by their interpretation of Islam) the most religiously tolerant state in XVIIth century Europe, offering refuge to non-Catholic Christians and Jews from persecution by Catholics. The Holy League was a Catholic-Orthodox alliance formally against Ottomans (Muslims), but in practice also against Calvinist Protestants and Jews. Hungarians at that time were mostly Calvinists (still about a third of them are). From 1686 till about 1820, Buda (called Ofen) and Pest were entirely German-speaking cities, with the last German-speaking neighborhoods disappearing only in 1945, in a similarly ugly expulsion of Germans shortly after WW2. Even today, Hungarian as spoken in Budapest differs from the literary standard in several German-influenced ways and Budapest slang is full of German expressions. Ethnic Hungarians and Jews moved to Budapest in increasing numbers during the urbanization and industrialization in the XIXth century. While Hungarian-speakers eventually became a majority (around the 1860's), the German language retained its prominent role until WW2. My grandmother was fluent in German and her reason for not passing it on was the Holocaust. After the 1867 Compromise resulting in the Habsburg empire becoming Austria-Hungary, Budapest Jews became increasingly bilingual, but stopped using German entirely only after WW2. Today, Budapest is home to about one fifth of Hungary's population, producing half of its GDP.

Secondary education in Hungary:

Secondary education in Hungary (between ages of 14 and 18) was and still is world-class (though deteriorating), unlike primary and post-secondary education, which have never been particularly good and now are really bad. The key to this is the high degree of freedom of high schools to choose their students and teachers, resulting in a handful of elite high schools for which both the best students and the best teachers compete. It is highly prestigious to teach there as well as to learn. This was very much the case in the first half of the 20th century as well. Regular competitions in academic disciplines are also a very important ingredient. Interestingly, the Tiger Mothers of the Chinese and Vietnamese communities that experienced explosive growth recently due to favorable immigration policies are also pushing their children into these high schools. I disagree with Scott Alexander that they failed to work their magic on gentiles. It is just that normal distributions have this very counter-intuitive property of tiny differences in means and standard deviations result in huge differences in frequency at the extremes.

In agreement with Scott Alexander, I also think it is multiple factors, both genetic and social/environmental coming together in a particularly lucky way. I would bet serious money against "the Martians" being particularly closely related genetically to each other.

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Melius abundare quam deficere's avatar

A modest proposal: let's just clone Von Neumann and let 2.0 figure it out. We know where he's buried and ofc he'd consent.

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